What' I've learned from debating online.

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:56 am

Here are some things I have found most useful when debating online:

First and foremost, have something to say. (This would seem fairly obvious, but in fact it is violated thousands of times every day by various users who get a thrill simply from seeing their stream-of-consciousness ramblings made public. I'm on many social forums other then this one and see many "Me too" posts)

Know your facts. If you say something, be able to back it up when challenged, preferably with sound source material. Naturally, one can't know everything, but a line from Beaumarchais' Marriage of Figaro is apropos: "I don't dispute what I know nothing about." If you don't know a subject, either stay away from it or do all you can to learn about it and make yourself equal to those you wish to challenge.

Watch spelling. All of us will make lapses on occasion, but those who habitually write posts marred with errors in spelling are like those who show up at a town meeting in shabby, tattered clothing. Since people have nothing by which to judge you except words on a screen, shouldn't those words be as tidy as possible? I've been in debates and put in wrong words that made what I was trying to point out a totally different meaning.

When you make a mistake, admit it. In fact, be the first to do so. Many times, when I have realized too late that I have made a mistake in a posting, I have posted an immediate correction. Once on a religion forum, I misspelled an adversary's name (a difficult one) several times in one of my posts. When I realized this, I immediately apologized via a follow-up post. No one else ever mentioned it after that. If you admit your own mistakes first, this will take the wind out of the sails of anyone who wants to ridicule you for erring. Conversely, if you stonewall and refuse to admit error, you will almost certainly be humiliated before scores of users in the forum.

Avoid personal attacks. Going ad hominem is a sure sign of a lack of substantial argument, and will denote you as a first-class nincompoop to any intelligent readers of what goes on the forum. It's valid to say that someone obviously misunderstands an issue, but not to say that he or she must be stupid not to understand it. (There's a difference and I've found myself doing this a couple times. It difficult not to do it.) If you stick to the high road while your adversary throws mud at you, smart people (the ones you want to impress) will take note. They will take your arguments seriously and disregard the rantings of your opponent. In tandem with this:

Be tenacious. Don't let your foe change the subject to your personality or the personalities of those you support. Kindly but firmly insist on the original issues. If you ask a question and it doesn't get answered, point that out and ask it again. This is a far more powerful weapon than the personal attack mode that ignorant people use. You can become a real thorn in someone's side by insisting that an issue he is trying to obscure be addressed rather than shrugged off.

Employ wit. This will show others that you are taking what your opponent says lightly, without getting bent out of shape. Also, it will be more entertaining to read, and more frustrating to your foe when he realizes he cannot fluster you. Lightness of touch is sadly lacking in many of the rudimentary statements made online, so using wit will set you apart from the unimaginative crowd and make your pronouncements stand out.

Retain a sense of perspective. It's not the end of the world if you don't swat every online fly who dares to challenge your statements. Some foes are not worth your while, and you should say so outright and not let yourself be goaded into an argument that you feel wastes your time.
Also, don't get caught up in responding to everything immediately; this makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Even if you don't have a life outside the computer, make it look as if you do. Space out your replies, and use the extra time to make them especially potent. It's not likely that anyone else in the forum knows what you're doing while you're not replying--and anyone who objects to your slowness of response leaves himself open to the charge of not having a life! ("Gee, CyberKnucklehead265, sorry that visiting my sick mother in the hospital kept me from replying to your post right away. Guess I need to get my priorities in order! ")

You have to have fun and not take anything personal. No one agrees in debates or else it wouldn't be a debate. If an issue is hitting to close too home maybe that thread should be ignored so feeling are not hurt. This could be a war zone or it can be fun ... I hope it's fun and enlightens those who read the threads!!!

Involved Joined: Jul 15, 2004 Posts: 252 Location: OKC, OK

What I have learned from debaitng on the internet....

VERY NON PC STATMENT BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Debating on the internet is like the special olympics, you may win a medal but you are still a retard.

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:46 pm

LOL .. ya sometime debating online is like hurding cats ... pointless and a waste of time. But we do it anyway Very Happy

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:41 pm

VERY nicely put, HauntedWebby!

I'm normally a 'lurker' on this website, but I would be remiss if I didn't throw 'Kudos' your way.

Oh, BTW:

HauntedWebby wrote:

...If an issue is hitting to close to home maybe that thread should be ignored...

Heh! I miss that one all the time too...

Anyway, good job! Wink

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:22 am

VinDSL wrote:

Oh, BTW:

HauntedWebby wrote:

...If an issue is hitting to close to home maybe that thread should be ignored...

Heh! I miss that one all the time too...

Anyway, good job! Wink

Thanks VinDSL,

Grammer has never been my thing, I have a hard time following rules Wink

But at least I didn't put TWO ... LOL

Client Joined: Apr 10, 2004 Posts: 649 Location: UK

Quote:

users who get a thrill simply from seeing their stream-of-consciousness ramblings made public

thats 99% of my forum members then lol

I find its very easy for people to write down their thoughts on a subject and someone take it the wrong way. This happened a lot to me when I first 'went online', with the years tho I've got a little better at reading between the lines and not taking things too heart, and try and keep the peace on my forum by explaining how the written word, because we can't be face to face, is often read wrongly and a war breaks out between members.

That's my stream-of-consciousness ramblings anyway rofl