phpBB3ToNuke - 3.0.4 RC 1 is ready to listen to nukers

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:59 pm

Has anyone else installed this?

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:10 pm

I am just noticing two things.

1. A logout problem

2. Style conflicts, especially css. (Not sure what can be done about this)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:20 pm

Nobody answered my earlier question. Is this a bridge, or a phpBB2 type integration?

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:22 pm

I would call it a bridge. All fields are contained within a PHPBB modules folder. It seems to use all its own tables aswell. There is supposed to be a script to convert from phpbb2tonuke to this, but I do see one yet. Also I am not sure how users are handle yet. At some point there is supposed to be a utilites to copy all users over to phpbb3, but i don't see that abailable yet either.

The only thing I am not sure about yet is how it handle new users yet.

I would call it a bridge because it is self contained as it uses its own tables ect, but also a port as it is a modified version of standard PHPBB3.

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:19 pm

Technically speaking, that is not a bridge but a fully integrated one.
However, to adopt given user infos, it uses a sort of bridging idea.
Palbin, toolbox described how new users work.
There are two types of control in front-end admin CP.
When you turn on creating users info into phpBB3 as well, your creation will create phpbb3 users as well. If off, when your users go into forums, it will bring user info into phpBB3 user info table.

Consider the following questions:
- separated window? (including frame) - bridge
- nuke url -> modules.php?name=phpBB3&file or phpBB& ....
If that is a bridge model like some models out there, the URL is not the same.
- If separated window model (most bridging), then try to [back] button in your web-browser

- I am wondering why do you think that a bridge? I think that is a hybrid emplyed bridge idea partially to the whole integrated model.

logout problem might happen in Raven's.
However, style conflicts is not.
Think about any other types of phpnuke theme.
When you have no forum themes in your phpnuke front-end theme, what happens? That's the same.

If that is a bridge, you may not synchronize phpnuke theme-pack and phpBB3 styles. If that is a bridge, your deltion of users will not delete your phpBB3 user info. If that is a bridge, you need to bring frame windows to run it.

Anyways, the first model of this uses hybrid style (given admin and given users - bridging idea - on fully integrated one). Why? the answer is simple. phpBB3ToNuke assumes that phpnuke site users exist.

For the fresh installation model, there is no bridging codes.
As you can see in the source, you will see just one file. However, most of phpBB3 files (almost 95%) are changed.

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:26 pm

Palbin wrote:

I would call it a bridge because it is self contained as it uses its own tables ect, but also a port as it is a modified version of standard PHPBB3.

Partially, your reasoning is right. The table of phpBB3 will be kept exactly like as in stand-alone phpBB3. If it is a modified version of stand-alone phpBB3, then how about bbtonuke? That is the same case except "config tables, prefix tables, and user info tables are shared in phpnuke front-end."

Obfuscatedly, there is no clear cut between them in this sense. Anyways, there are some different views to classify phpBB3ToNuke depending on how you will think about it.

In my opinion, that is a hybrid model. But toolbox seems not to care of what types. I think what the most importatn was a working model to him.

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:29 pm

Palbin wrote:

I am just noticing two things.

1. A logout problem

2. Style conflicts, especially css. (Not sure what can be done about this)

I think I wrote a post for this in phpbb3tonuke discussion forum.
As you know, that is for most phpnukes. That is not only for Raven's Nuke. So, you will give more feedback to work better on Raven's one.

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:06 pm

bluerace wrote:

Palbin, toolbox described how new users work.
There are two types of control in front-end admin CP.
When you turn on creating users info into phpBB3 as well, your creation will create phpbb3 users as well. If off, when your users go into forums, it will bring user info into phpBB3 user info table.

I don't see that.

bluerace wrote:

However, style conflicts is not.
Think about any other types of phpnuke theme.
When you have no forum themes in your phpnuke front-end theme, what happens? That's the same.

I realize that. Just stating themes either way (RN or PHPBB) will have to modified to make them look good.

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:17 pm

Quote:

I don't see that

Let me find it. He described before.

Quote:

I realize that. Just stating themes either way (RN or PHPBB) will have to modified to make them look good.

For this, Scott made a new fisubice theme-pack. I am working on this theme pack to implant into RN 2.3.x+ version.

I will upload new fisubice theme-pack for RN 2.3.x plus phpBB3ToNuke.
One thing I am worried is that bbtonuke.
I don't know why it should be in charge to phpBB3ToNuke team ( Smile

). But, as long as I know toolbox wants to support RN 2.3.x+.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:10 am

evaders99 wrote:

BBToNuke code became too much to invest in. I am favoring a bridge as well Smile

If my message has offended the phpBB3ToNuke team, I apologize. I did not mean to attack their work or workers. I am all for projects tackling these things

EDIT: ToolBox says not to worry about it. Hopefully its just a misunderstanding. Feel free to chat with me anytime

Regular Joined: Mar 16, 2005 Posts: 74

Before bluerace comes back from her vacation, on be half of her, I would like to say "no problem at all." Don't mind what had been discussed in this thread.

I think discussion sounded like dry but she perceived it was harsh to her. However, when I found this thread, I told her to read between the lines.

By the way, we are in an animal cummunity, aren't we?
Smile

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:16 am

It's the connotation here. In English at least, it sounds like you're calling us a group of animals. Yes technically we are animals, but it is a bad connotation here. Animals (bad) are raw, instinctual, savage beasts that attack each other... while humans (good) have brains, can communicate and work cooperatively to a common goal.

I've already explained to you the use of the b* word.
I hope that can explain why jakec and I were surprised by your post.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:39 am

Oh, no.
We have another miscontrue due to typos.
Anyways, take easy and settle down. It's too late in my time (mountain and pacific time). Good night, buddies.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:13 pm

I just wanted to add a bit regarding bridge vs. no bridge. Just so you know, there was more going on there than what came across in this thread and elsewhere. I do believe, like Evaders and I am sure others, that it is very good for the community to have options. I am all for a really solid bridge approach as well as having a really solid fully integrated solution. Some will want the bridge and others the integrated.

One of the reasons why the RN Team is in favor more on the bridge approach is based upon our future roadmap. Raven would like to see us move in the direction of clearer separation from core to where add-ons, like modules and external 3rd party software, are done in more of a "plug-in" fashion. To achieve this vision takes time and allot of effort, much of what many of us don't have too much of these days, and so it will take us time to get there. We just see using bridges as a way to maintain this separation as we head towards the longer term future state.

Honestly. Both approaches have their place within the community, so no hard feelings here from any of us either way. The community needs choices and we just hope that RavenNuke(tm), or someday, maybe RavenCMS, as one of those choices alongside many other good choices.

New Member Joined: Apr 08, 2010 Posts: 18

I for one, will be unable to wait for the road map to see through to completion before putting my site online, so atm I will be going with the solution that is available, and am looking forward to the final release of nukekorea.net's "hybrid"

To be honest though, I am very surprised that all of the NUKE CMS' are sticking with phpbb2, seeing as how the phpbb team has end-of-life the product, and is removing the add-on and support forums for it shortly.

Well see how it all plays out, in the meantime im excited to play with the new phpbb3.