Is Nuke dying out?

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Dawg wrote:

Ok....I'll come clean. I bought it. It's mine. I guess I should have told ya'll....

Version 10 is really RN2.1.....

LOL!

Dawg

I knew it! Now we have a spy among us killing me

I fully expect[ed] that v9.0 would be stolen, er borrowed from someone. We'll see Wink

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The great test for the viability of PHP-Nuke is if there will be updates so that PHP-Nuke will be PHP 6 compliant. A couple of years ago there would already be such patches available I think. I guess many web hotels already uses PHP 5.3, which you have to disable error reporting to use.

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I do believe in many ways that PHP-Nuke is seeing it's end of it's days. With all the PHP-Nuke forks, is great, however I always was a fan of vanilla open source. If PHP-Nuke ever updated the code and released a big bug released copy, I think PHP-Nuke could be where it was 3-4 years ago.

That's really all I think about the subject, RavenNuke is a great start, however like I said, "I always was a fan of vanilla open source.", no disrespect to RavenNuke at all!

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Hitman wrote:

I do believe in many ways that PHP-Nuke is seeing it's end of it's days. With all the PHP-Nuke forks, is great, however I always was a fan of vanilla open source. If PHP-Nuke ever updated the code and released a big bug released copy, I think PHP-Nuke could be where it was 3-4 years ago.

That's really all I think about the subject, RavenNuke is a great start, however like I said, "I always was a fan of vanilla open source.", no disrespect to RavenNuke at all!

i agree RN is a good start. but I think we need more.

maybe its time to actually sit down and list everything that dose need fixed (and im sure its a huge list) and get-r-done Laughing

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:10 am

It isn't just about bug fixing though, is it?
If phpNuke was released tomorrow with ALL it's bugs fixed I still wouldn't use it.

What about all the inherent security flaws due to sloppy coding/the authors lack of PHP knowledge (he says himself "I learnt PHP in a week", or lack of knowledge of cross site request forgeries/XSS attack vectors.
What about the multiple bits of duplicated, redundant code?
What about string concatenation and myriad other ways to improve performance?
What about all the files in phpNuke that it doesn't even actually use?
What about writing more efficient SQL queries?
What about all the native PHP functions that are only supported in old versions of PHP?
What about web standards compliant output to the browser?

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:55 am

kd8hho, trust me we have a list of things we want to do, but there is only so much we can do at once and we have to tread carefully.

If there is any specific you think we need to addres please let us know and we will add it to the list if it is not there already.

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:07 am

I do think the financial end of it is important. Even support forums are expensive to run. Small contributions to favorite sites, apps, ect... is like tipping for a hair cut. You just do it because its right. Expect to pay for mods, alterations you need.

Branding and ads can go along way but they aren't able to bring in enough steady $'s to support smaller developers. So keep that in mind when downloading from a clean fast site because the next time it might be from a slower ad supported repository.

Many are leaving for commercial solutions just to return to Open Sourced code just due to the lack of support for commercial works.

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:46 pm

Guardian2003 wrote:

What about all the inherent security flaws...

No doubt that is priority, things need to be fixed in order. To behonest, a rewrite of it would be a whole lot better, get rid of the phpBB2 and integrate the phpBB3 like others have done and address what needs to be addressed.

If only the current owner would get off his high horse and make things happen, even if they were slow, at least they would get done sooner or later. Rather than have nothing at all with 4 year old outdated code.

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:16 pm

Hitman wrote:

If only the current owner would get off his high horse and make things happen, even if they were slow, at least they would get done sooner or later. Rather than have nothing at all with 4 year old outdated code.

I understand what your saying but there is no point in phpNuke even trying to catch up when you have much superior products like RavenNuke (tm), Nuke Evolution, Dragonfly CMS, not to mention a plethora of other content management systems and portal software.
The current owner of the website has no intention of any further development as he is quite content to make a few $ from advertising revenue.
The current owner of the 'rights' to the source code has no intention of any further development either, with the possible exception of a 8.2 Final bug fix release.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:52 pm

Guardian2003 wrote:

no point in phpNuke even trying to catch up when you have much superior products like RavenNuke (tm), Nuke Evolution

That's what I am saying, these are PHP-Nuke forks. I and I am sure others are interested more in the vanilla founding PHP-Nuke. I understand where your coming from but, I disagree with you 100%.

PHP-Nuke could be better and could be something IF the owner would get going on fixes. Yes RavenNuke has a great foundation and support, but if only the owner of PHP-Nuke would do something about it's development, PHP-Nuke to could have a better foundation and could be something for those who enjoy vanilla open source apposed to a fork.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:07 pm

What's wrong with forks? Joomla, a fork of Mambo, is one of the most popular CMS scripts. Who uses Mambo? Is it actively developed? Who cares? Because there is something better: Joomla.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:44 am

I agree, whats wrong with forks?
Forks usually appear for one reason only - to supply a specific demand/need that is not being met by the original product.

phpNuke is actually a fork of an earlier piece of software called Thatware

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:03 am

Guys, guys settle down, I was only putting in my opinion but I guess it's not welcome here.

Who cares? I do, and I told you above.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:08 am

Of course your opinion is welcome. We're just offering a different opinion as to why it's not important to us. To clarify, regarding my "Who cares?" question, I was specifically referring to whether or not people care about Mambo.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:19 am

One of the many things I love about RavenNuke(tm) is it can be used as a plain, vanilla type CMS or it can be used for more intense websites with the included mods and tweaks like ShortLinks, Nuke Sentinel, Pagination, nukePIE, nukeFEED, etc... that can be difficult and time consuming to install on a PHPNuke site. Granted, some of the modules will not be used by a majority of sites. For those that do use Project Tracking or G Calendar or some of the other non PHPNuke core modules, having a refined and secure product is fantastic. It is difficult to make a one size fits all CMS.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:22 am

Hitman, we are always going to be biased and we always welcome other peoples opinions. Sometimes we all have to remember that these discussions can become heated, but we should not take it personally.

Anyway back on topic.

I do agree with G and kguske, unfortunately I don't think the phpnuke owner/developer is ever going to seriously resurrect the project and therefore a fork is the only real way to go. To be honest the team have changed so much of the code on RN that it the majority of the code has now changed and is virtually a new CMS in its own right. Wink

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:07 am

That is one problem with typed conversations. You can not "feel" what the other is saying, since it is typed. Many misunderstandings happen due to this situation. Hitman, I don't think they were jumping on you for your opinion. That is one of the many things I like about here. They want others thoughts on things....makes this product even better when others have input. Especially if you are NOT a coder. They get so wrapped up in their code that they sometimes can't smell the coffee.....and need a little guidance from the average "Joe" such as me..... ROTFL

j/k everyone.....hope you all are having a great day!

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:16 am

Yeah, we want everyone's opinion except FireATST's... KIDDING ROTFL

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:23 am

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:18 pm

Hitman wrote:

Guys, guys settle down, I was only putting in my opinion but I guess it's not welcome here.

Who cares? I do, and I told you above.

Hitman,

Come on Wink

. You've misunderstood the posts responding to yours. They're just other opinions and no one is attacking nor mocking you. You are (and have been) welcome here and I think you know that Smile

. What do you say?

Raven

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:23 pm

The world evolves and some things do it faster then others.
Some say god created the world and others believe in Allah but, they all have something in common and that is superiority.
Once there were the crusades for Christianity and now it's called terrorism by the Islamic.
Each has it's own age and each is based on certain believes.

On the web this happens all the time because many believe in many different things and techniques.
Some evolve fast (gecko/webkit) and others stick by their own crusade (microsoft).
This doesn't mean one is better then the other, it just depends how many sheep follow your product (ideas).

If Hitman sticks with his believe about PHP-Nuke then he may, if you believe in something else (Joomla, Mambo, Thatware, Xoops, etc.) then you have the right to do so (not in China though).
If someone gets heated up by someone else his opinion this means he is short-sighted and either a crusader or terrorist (you understand what i mean).

So please stay on-topic and allow others to respond "PHP-Nuke is alive and kicking!" and either jiggle off-line or say amen!

For me personally? Every current CMS is a dead moose. They are slow and out of date for the upcoming Web 3.0 ERA.
However, they are suited for the many current websites.
Only pioneers are currently programming Web 3.0 for some high-end, eye-catching online material.

Always ask yourself: how long does the average product succeed, and will it be suited for my needs for many years?