PC Killer - To use or not to use

Client Joined: Jan 29, 2004 Posts: 624

stephen2417 wrote:

God here goes Paul again!!! Evil or Very Mad

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Thanks for the link, that was fun. Smile

Hangin' Around Joined: May 27, 2004 Posts: 42

I could never get fortress to work tried all things, no replys or basic blaaa, at least with sentinal you guys know how to fix the script if theres an issue Smile

thanks sentinal its working great.

Worker Joined: Mar 11, 2004 Posts: 209

speedx wrote:

I could never get fortress to work tried all things, no replys or basic blaaa, at least with sentinal you guys know how to fix the script if theres an issue Smile

thanks sentinal its working great.

may be its just coz of Sentinel builders know what they do and what we need Cool

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 3:03 pm

People like easy to install with graphic interface to change settings, click to install, change settings your done. Am I right or am I right.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 3:15 pm

This just posted on NC on main page.

All things being equal amongst fortress, admin secure, protecter, and sentinel, the only issue that shows its ugly head so visibly is the use of pop-ups in attacking suspects. Big problems here and I highly advise the authors BobMarion, Raven, GanjaUK, and Chatserv to remove this feature. Supporting evidence against such bad practice is all discussed in this thread.

New Member Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 7

peace wrote:

i think he is mad coz he was tryin to earn money from his application HitsFan

now all nuke comminty knows that there is a better app which free Mr. Green

I didnt know that u must pay for fortress.

I only hope that Raven or Bob dont get influenced by some kids like stephen and see the real meaning of the post at NC.

if he wants to make money of fortress like peace thinks then why he say yes for integration of fortress in other product?
see this post
http://nukecops.com/postt29334.html

and maybe Bob give also his comment on that post

Site Admin/Owner Joined: Aug 27, 2002 Posts: 17088

Stephen, like all here, is just expressing his opinions and feelings. Obviously it is a sensitive subject, although blown greatly out of proportion by NC. To my knowledge you do not have to pay for fortress, at least at the present time. Peace and/or Stephen may have an explanation for that statement.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 3:49 pm

i not mean directly for fortress i mean he is tryin to have paid memberships for something .Grrr i hate to cant say what i think in English Crying or Very sad

Hangin' Around Joined: Nov 07, 2003 Posts: 33

Hell I didn't even know what plugging meant! Laughing

Whether or not this application harms the computer, if the application was right in doing this to someone who shouldn't have been doing something in the first place then I agree they can't take legal action as you have their IP logged with their info showing what they've done.

BUT, if an innocent person is accidently banned and then spammed with pop-ups till their computer crashes it provides a real problem for the webmaster should the victim take legal action.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:08 pm

peace wrote:

i not mean directly for fortress i mean he is tryin to have paid memberships for something .Grrr i hate to cant say what i think in English Crying or Very sad

Yes exactly.. Ill look up some more and get back to you.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:10 pm

Hate to double post but here.. [ Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! ]

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:15 pm

ya stephen i was tryin to say that Embarassed

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:16 pm

Salieri wrote:

BUT, if an innocent person is accidently banned and then spammed with pop-ups till their computer crashes it provides a real problem for the webmaster should the victim take legal action.

Tell me what the big deal is with this. I mean almost every computer has a popup blocker, or at least should these days. Thats all i needed when i tested it. My google toolbar went wacko. But kept its cool.

If anything did happen, all you would have to do is restart your comptuer.. Woopie doo! Exclamation

If you had MS Word open doing something, it automaticaly saves every once and a while too so no big deal there either.

From when last time i tested mine, i still havent restarted my comptuer. So it dosent work that well but i think we should leave it how it is or lessen it a bit so paul dosent loose it again.<--(period)

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:01 pm

southern wrote:

stephen2417 wrote:

God here goes Paul again!!! Evil or Very Mad

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Thanks for the link, that was fun. Smile

Just another smear campaign as we've all come to expect lately from NC's admin. It really serves no purpose to let his well designed smear campaign put anyone involved in the Sentinel project on the defensive. The facts speak for themselves as Paul him self points out. His numbers are down lately and here is another way to help generate more traffic. Let the numbers speak for themselves: [ Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! ]

The sad thing is some people will choose to not even try Sentinel based on this absolute BS attack on Sentinel based on one feature. He keeps focus on this one feature to take attention away from the other really great features introduced by Sentinel. Features like the htaccess ban, that put Sentinel out in front of some of the "competition".

Rediculous remarks about nmap forged IP's and grandma getting sent to the popup maze. This sort of service interuption happens already with email servers all the time. How many emails has the average user gotten back because their dynamic IP came back to one of the spam lists because some spammer used it to send out 10,000 emails 5 hours earlier?

Grandma's not going to be sent to the popup maze anyway at this point though she will be banned if that response is enabled. Which isn't any different then any other IP based ban system. There will be times where innocent people are effected by bans. Thats why the bans are only used where there is clear and substancial (Logged) evidence of an attack.

What can we do to limit the trash talk from NC? Well not much folks. While Pauls busy running his smear campaign against Sentinel Bob and Raven's teams are working to bring even more advanced features to Sentinel. None of which are evil to anyone but the cut n paste script kiddies.

In the end Sentinel users will be feeding crow (and cut n paste script kiddies) to the dogs who started this smear campaign at NC.

Worker Joined: Aug 16, 2003 Posts: 107 Location: USA

We trust Chatserv, Raven and Bob. So it does not matter what paul aka ZX says he always shows his true now. He will not make money now on his system now.

ZX makes himself look like a jacka** by his attack on Sentinel™.

Keep improving on Sentinel™ and show him what his skills is lacking.

registered · Theme Guru Joined: Nov 01, 2003 Posts: 1006

I think that people should try very hard not to make this a "them against us" situation. I can see how it could easily turn into that. I know that Raven and ZX have had personal issues in the past, i suspect even professional ones, that may be clouding some peoples opinions here. I think that everyone would be well advised to remember that this "war" is not amoungst the members of the nuke community. It is against the people who are trying to ruin the nuke community.

I know for a fact that Raven didn't help to create the Sentinel product just to thumb his nose at ZX or to cut into his "business". He and the others did this to help us protect our sites. That is their ONLY objective. That is what this community is supposed to be doing. We are supposed to be helping one another. We , in my opinion, shouldnt be charging people for the protection that is needed at this point.

In my opinion, as someone who happens to really like the nuke cops site, I have to say that as of late the service there has been lacking. I find that people get a fast and more concise reply to their trouble here. I do not know if it is because of the sheer volume of posts on nc or the fact that there aren't enough staff. I hope that they resolve that problem soon. I would have to agree with a post I read earlier in this thread. I know people who have tried to install and use the fortress product and couldnt get any help with it. I therefore, didnt bother to install it. I always have a problem with those things Embarassed

. I did however jump at the chance to use the Sentinel product. It installed with complete ease and works like a charm. I have installed it and recommended it to all I know.

My feelings on the pc killer is quite simple. I use it! I love it! and I set it to on and unlimited on every site. This in my opinion is not a bad thing. It is not an attack. It is quite simply a deterent for the person who attacks my site. I say this because in point of fact i get about 15 attempts a day on my sites. I also can say with confidence that the people who are trying to exploit me do not stop with just the "we have your ip and you are banned" notice. They try multiple times which not only fills up my email but is annoying as well. I feel that a dose of the pc killer might just make a bigger impression! Wink

One would certainly hope so.

I was leary about it until a friend and I looked into what it actually does. I think that the term "pc killer" troubles people. They immediatly think that someones computer is being harmed (not that I would care if that was the case at this point). It is just a term people. Get over it already! I mean, if you have tried it you can clearly see that it will not "kill" a computer. It simple makes the attackers life a bit uncomfortable for a few minutes. In the event you are on dial up then you will have to reboot. This is not the end of the world and in my opinion, YOU DESERVE IT! Do you all think that anyone would have made such as issue of it if it were named something more mundane like " the annoyance" option? I think not.

I am sure that everyone has their own opinion on the whole matter. We all just need to recognize that not everyone will like every product. I have to say that this one goes in with such ease, it is very admin friendly, and highly customizable. For those reasons alone people should use it. As stated before, it is your CHOICE whether or not you use the "pc killer". I use every kind of security measure that comes out just like all of you. I trust this site and the developers here. I also trust the nc staff. I think that we all should keep in mind that this is supposed to be a "community". Thanks for reading my ramblings.. and Raven, Wink

you sweet thing! lol

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:54 pm

GanjaUK wrote:

No, worse case scenario, they loose un saved work they had open at that time.

Actually, if they are using Windows crashing their computer could cause file system corruption, which could rend the attackers computer unusable. That's a little more serious than just losing unsaved data.

I suppose the same thing could happen to other operating systems. For UNIX-based machines, file corruption due to a crash can be avoided by turning logging on in the vfstab or fstab depending on the OS.

For what it's worth, this topic isn't anything new. I remember when a hack back was launched against the e-Hippies who were trying to hack the WTO web site when the WTO was meeting in Seattle. Here's a good article covering the incident.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:05 pm

jaded wrote:

Thanks for reading my ramblings.. and Raven, Wink

you sweet thing! lol

Well, I gotta admit, this will be great fodder for the rumor mill! <BIG SMOOCH>! As to your post, you are right on. Thanks for an objective, non-biased viewpoint!

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:35 pm

Raven your just the greatest person ive ever meet. I would do anything for you. Just ask! Very Happy

Court Jester Joined: Sep 20, 2003 Posts: 106

look, one point that i must make again.

so your computer crashes. you reboot.

its not that friggin hard!

PUSH THE RESET BUTTON!

in every computer crash I have NEVER had any damaged hardware(LOL!)

so Raven, I want to combine sentinal with protector, and have them both running. How should I do this?

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:47 pm

Anubis,

Offer a blood sacrifice at exactly 12:01am tomorrow. Make sure that you are facing the East with no clothes on while chanting CS Rules. CS Rules!.. CS Rules!! Then, attack my site using any means you have. Do a reverse lookup on my domain, multiply by 3 to the 12th power, subtract 45.987, add 1, and then divide by zero. If the answer is zero, and the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, the peace will rule the planets and you won't need any protection at all! Except for sex, that is. Hope this helps.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:58 pm

.....

come on, i want to run protector and sentenal without conflicts, not be arrested for public nudity.

Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 10:07 pm

Way to go, jaded, just think of Sentinel as a frying pan to use on the craniums of those malefactor hackers haha Smile

Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:48 am

stephen2417 wrote:

Salieri wrote:

BUT, if an innocent person is accidently banned and then spammed with pop-ups till their computer crashes it provides a real problem for the webmaster should the victim take legal action.

Tell me what the big deal is with this. I mean almost every computer has a popup blocker, or at least should these days. Thats all i needed when i tested it. My google toolbar went wacko. But kept its cool.

If anything did happen, all you would have to do is restart your comptuer.. Woopie doo! Exclamation

If you had MS Word open doing something, it automaticaly saves every once and a while too so no big deal there either.

From when last time i tested mine, i still havent restarted my comptuer. So it dosent work that well but i think we should leave it how it is or lessen it a bit so paul dosent loose it again.<--(period)

Well if someone can confirm that they can actually sue you for it then I'd leave the feature off, if it's all lies from NC then good for the app. Very Happy

If it is actually all lies, then ZX should apologise, or at least be given a spanking. Wink

Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:47 am

Use it, or don't. There is no legal issue here. There is no attack. There is no "program" embodied in the application. NC is spreading FUD which they are known to do when things don't go their way, pure and simple.