Does the Iraq Withdrawal rub you the wrong way?

NeapolitanWorld · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:00 pm

I don't know about the rest of you, but reading the news today about Iraqis celebrations rubes me the wrong way! are they celebrating because they are proud of how they can now provide their own security or are they celebrating that the "infidel" Americans are getting out?

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Something tells me it's the later. Talk about the Raven effect! do an incredible dedicated job, asking little in return and getting dumped on Laughing

you see us Americans are infidels! look what we did to Japan, oh what, they are now the second most powerful economy in the world Confused

or look what we did to Germany Confused

oh wait a thriving super power Democracy Confused

wait look what we did to Vietnam, oh wait, sorry we lost and now they are all riding fffing Bicycles to their chicken factory jobs, and lets not talk about Cuba, they are all still riding our great great great grand fathers cars, eh sorry I missed one "great" Laughing

some people just don't know what to do with Democracy if it slapped them in the face Mad

jc

Raven · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:14 pm

Definitely the latter. And yes, it has always rubbed me the wrong way Evil or Very Mad

jakec · Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:13 pm

Just thought I would remind you that you weren't on your own in Iraq etc. Wink

fkelly · Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:04 pm

So maybe we could all learn from it and stay out of other people's countries with our military.

Oh ... I forgot ... they had weapons of mass destruction pointed at us.

NeapolitanWorld · Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:25 pm

Yes, black in color...weapon of mass destruction, the intent was not the best...the result was ridding the country of a horrible dictator! no one can deny that... now it's time to get rid of the nut in North Korea! Wink

and one can always count on our friends across the pond Very Happy

spasticdonkey · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:45 am

if someone had been bombing and occupying my country off and on for 17 years, I might be dancing in the street when they left too Smile

Yes we removed a horrible dictator, and the world has no shortage of those, but we also destabilized the region... I have to wonder how long until we have to go back because of a coup, Iran, or other...

FireATST · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:48 am

lol....was that area ever "stabilized"? Unless you consider a ruthless, murdering dictator and his sons as being "stabilized". Did the bombing you referred to have anything to do with their invasion of Kuwait?

I hope they are ready to provided their own security. (not sure they really have the backbone to stand up for themselves) If not, the soldiers who gave their all there, was wasted for the most part.

eldorado · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:21 am

jakec wrote:

Just thought I would remind you that you weren't on your own in Iraq etc. Wink

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jakec · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:27 am

eldorado wrote:

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Sorry, what does that mean? Confused

eldorado · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:14 pm

i means what the punctuation means. i don't want to do politic but that Iraq war was a mistake for the USA and so was for the UK

nuken · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:49 pm

I'm just glad our young men and women are getting out of there. There will be no true peace in the Middle East.

NeapolitanWorld · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:38 pm

I think in time it will turn out to be a positive. We specially in the western cultures tend to look at things too much in the short term.
I from the start apposed the war however you can not deny that Iraq is thanks to the US and friends in a better situation today then before. I believe very few would rather have the days of Saddam instead of what they have now. Perhaps they did not feel like that a couple of years back when Donald Rumsfeld made a mess of things. Despite all the mistakes and intent, the boots on the ground, military is there for one thing from the start, and that is to serve and to fight for freedom even if it was not their own freedom or for their kids, one can only admire such a core belief that runs deep in our military! Yes I'm glad they are getting out, but as I said before it kind of rubbed me the wrong way Mad

Guardian2003 · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:40 am

I'm something of a relic of scepticism when it comes to politics. Regardless of whether you have a Democracy, Monarchy, Fuedal (etc) society.
Personally, I think Lord Acton had it about right;

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The man who prefers his country before any other duty shows the same spirit as the man who surrenders every right to the state. They both deny that right is superior to authority.

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The most certain test by which we judge whether a country is really free is the amount of security enjoyed by minorities.

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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.

Lord Acton, Lecture, February 26, 1877

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Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Lord Acton, Letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887

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The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.