Php theme

wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

Hello,

first of all i hope i am in the right part of the forum
I am using since today ravennuke 2.4.
and i uploaded a new to base my website on.
but when i changed the theme to the one i wanted to use
but then i only saw the Background and for the rest nothing and now i can't change it back.

any one got a idea wat to do and how to do it?

killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:14 am

Sounds like your theme is not written to work with the way ravennuke handles themes (probably an outdated theme).

To change it back, go into your database and find the table "nuke_config" and change the row "Default_Theme" to something that came with Ravennuke (i.e. SimplyBlue).

Also, provide me with a download link to the theme you're attempting to use and I'll look at it when I get a free moment.

wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

i bought it and its for raven 2.2x..

killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:33 am

Without more details or seeing how the theme was written... it's pretty hard to troubleshoot a problem.

You could try this addon for firefox to see if it will help point to problems with the markup.

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Not sure if the theme uses "$dbi" but I seem to remember reading that some older themes do and that would need to be changed as well.

See here for an example:

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wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

with the addon for firefox i get this error

line 42 column 8 - wrong: end tag for "html" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified

and this is the theme

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and this is the website

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killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:44 am

Give me a little while to look this over. I'm at work ATM and am in the middle of a project. Thanks for the link.

Edit*** Right off hand I noticed that it's calling for "autotheme.php" in the modules folder. Do you have that installed on your site?

Autotheme website:

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wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

allready thanks for the help

its not in a hury i got a job that makes me away during week days normally Smile

so thanks allready

killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:47 am

Bump... check previous edit.

wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

no i don't have autotheme on my site.

killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:55 am

Looks like that may be your problem.

From your theme.php file:

Code:

include("modules/AutoTheme/autotheme.php");

Since it's using autotheme as the mechanism to display the theme... it looks like you need to purchase that module and install it to your site. I can't test it because I don't have autotheme either. Sorry I couldn't help you further than this.

nuken · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:59 am

Auto themes causes some conflicts with RavenNuke 2.40.xx due to the way RavenNuke handles loading of javascript and css. Unless you are familiar with Autothemes or willing to spend some time going through their forums, I would not recommend using it with RN. Clan Themes has many themes that work on RavenNuke without using Autothemes.

killing-hours · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:12 am

Thanks for further clarifying that nuken... I looked at autothemes when I was trying to figure out how to create themes but thought it was ridiculous to pay for a module to do what RN already does. (I understand what the creators intentions are with it though... wrong approach if you were to ask me)

wierdos · New Member Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 6

thanks for the help. ill look at a different theme ..

papamike · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:48 pm

I offer a theming utility that I wrote using php (PMCCT) and it does an excellent job. Stop by my site

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post in the forums and I'll give you the low down. It's FREE and it will let you build your own RN theme that will work. It doesn't get much recognition (for some strange reason) but you can design a nice simple theme or a graphic heavy theme it's only limited to your imagination.

64bitguy · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:52 am

While I hate to be a critic about this stuff (well, maybe hate is a strong word, dislike); I'm frustrated that theme developers continue to produce NON-Compliant themes.

If you see a theme that says it is XHTML and has things like

Code:

<hr>

in it, it is non-compliant to XHTML standards and should be avoided (unless you don't mind rewriting the entire theme to be standards compliant!) .... And the list goes on. I've noticed a ton of theme designers that like to change the DocType Declaration to XHTML, without changing any of the code... the doctype doesn't make it compliant, the code does! Bad enough that 99.9% of themes are not even HTML Compliant, it makes it worse when they just change the doctype!

As a comment, Auto-Themes are non-compliant, bloaty junk, don't waste your time or money buying garbage like that. While they claim otherwise, Autothemes does not make a SINGLE theme that is compliant to any standard!

Papa, while I'm all for free, again... check your themes for CSS and XHTML Compliance! They need work!
EDIT: Sorry, my TR should have said HR

papamike · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:37 pm

The older themes..yea you're probably right. But, the newer themes that I make with my theming utility are affected by the content placed into them. But, they are CSS compliant and except for 16 errors are XHTML compliant. DOCTYPES and themes, I have designed a lot of themes over the years and never once placed a DOCTYPE into one. The DOCTYPE is inherent to the CMS, you know that. Show me where any of my new themes are not CSS compliant.

If a theme has <tr> in it and you say it isn't compliant to XHTML then you're wrong and two wrongs do not make a right. <table><tr><td> all make for compliant themes. You imply a lot but do the facts you mention have a basis for argument? I think not. Are you sure about this "Bad enough that 99.9% of themes are not even HTML Compliant" did you perform a genuine study on themes to arrive at your conclusion?

And, I do not think it is right for you to come onto a very popular forum and call someones hard earned work "garbage" without first conversing with them in an intellectual way. It is just plain and simple bad taste. I take deep offense to your entire post, not because of your comments about my work, I could care less, but because of your comments about Auto-Themes.

64bitguy · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:04 pm

Actually, Yes, I have studied Nuke themes in-depth including testing thousands of them... and yes, I am an expert on this subject.

As for HR being compliant in XHTML, it needs a trailing slash to be compliant in XHTML. That in fact, IS the difference!

As for CSS, again, look at your own site. It is NOT CSS Compliant.

As for Autothemes, just look at the code. If it is garbage in, garbage out and and has hundreds of compliance errors per page, then it is what it is. Hard work is indeed hard work; however, if it fails to do what it was designed to do, well.. what else would you call it? Furthermore, anyone that claims to be compliant to these standards, darn well better be or that is plainly bait and switch.

As for Doctype not being in the theme, again... incorrect. The Doctype declaration is in fact by default assigned by and defined by the theme. Nuke code (and that of other solutions) is in fact designed to be TYPE independent. I could make Nuke HTML or XHTML compliant, Loose (obviously) would be much easier than Strict; however, I wouldn't want strict anyway because (I) would want external links to open in new windows which would be non-strict compliant.

The basis for my arguments may be found by searching these forums, I was in fact the first to develop a 100% HTML Theme for PHP-Nuke. I followed that with the first CSS Compliant themes and then my own XHTML Compliant theme followed by fixes for other people's themes making them compliant. (Hence the number of posts I've had here over the years).

And just in closing I would comment that ANY errors means non-compliance. There is no such thing as "almost compliant" in compliance. You either are, or you are-not.

As for my comments offending the Auto-Themes designers, I would comment to check your emails if you are one of them. I conversed directly with them during their initial releases of so-called, "Compliant" themes. Nothing was ever done to address those issues and you'll find my comments about them here in these forums.

Steph

papamike · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:47 pm

Anyone knows (at least I hope) that a <tr> needs a </tr> in closing. etc. etc. I will say this though, I do believe that the theory of crossing t's and dotting i's is a good thing that isn't followed to the degree in which it should. Example: Take a look at my CSS and tell me where the multitude of errors lie. There is much work to be done by lots of folks within this highly acclaimed community.

Also, I agree with <hr> Wink

montego · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:53 pm

The themes provided with the latest RN are all XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliant if memory serves me. Plus, all of the non-admin modules/blocks/etc. of the latest RN should be as well (no-one is perfect, so an occasional mis-code will be found). I am sure the team has most, if not all the admin side in tow as well for the next release.

I am about to release the first revision to NSN Group Downloads (version 1.1.0) since taking over the project back in 2006 (sorry such a delay... many things in life takes precedence, including RN for 4+ years) and it is 100% XHTML compliant, including its data conversion (as long as you have the Tidy extension loaded). Once that is released, I'll finish up my HTML Newsletter 1.4 that will finally complete the conversion in the admin area as well (hopefully in time for the next RN release).

papamike · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:15 pm

I think I kinda know how things work with release dates, but do you have a close to date for the next release. Where would I go to make a recommendation? Groovy

montego · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:36 pm

Looks like I was finally removed from the Moderator permission so I cannot delete. You should have been able to delete the second posting as no-one had posted on it as of yet. (At least that is how I thought it works.) But, now that I've added a posting on top of yours, its there for good unless a moderator/admin removes it. Smile

Can't comment on release dates as I am no longer a member of the team. But, in the past, I think Raven has been pretty tight-lipped on release dates.

papamike · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:40 pm

Ah, good I like dancing bananas anyhow. Thanks!

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Isn't HTML 5 taking over ? Wave

papamike · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:18 pm

Here's a good link that will answer all of your questions.

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fkelly · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:19 pm

@papamike ... I guess my moderator status works cause I was able to delete your duplicate post.

re. recommendations, make them here, we will log them into the RN work plan and get them done if feasible.

as to release dates, Raven and Palbin have the official word on that. I know they are working with the team to try to define the final scope of the next release and get open issues closed off so it can go into internal acceptance testing. But I'd guess that a good suggestion that doesn't involve opening a whole unopened can of works would be listened to.

As to the compliance status of themes, I spent one February ... gosh ... 4 years ago doing little else but running the RN theme set against the W3C validator and fixing issues. At that time the themes were a horror story of non-compliance. Since that time (and that might have been 3 or 4 major RN releases ago) we have maintained 100% compliance as best we can. There have been several nice new themes added to the RN base and these have been tested as we go. Occasionally issues are found and we fix them as we can.

IF anyone finds a compliance issue with a RN theme all they need do is post it here. The RN team will take care of it for the next release.