Spambots Crack Live/Hotmail

evaders99 · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:12 pm

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More reports of CAPTCHA cracking. No wonder the spam never stops.
I see CAPTCHAs not being effective for anything much longer

kguske · Site Admin Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 6044

Time for Akismet ...?

Susann · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:34 pm

An other example:

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evaders99 · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:21 pm

Anyone can translate Russian?

I see the form is supposed to POST and create Gmail accounts. But reading the CAPTCHA itself.. where are the files such as adddata_jpg_g.php coming from?

Guardian2003 · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:06 pm

kguske wrote:

Time for Akismet ...?

Definitely!!!

montego · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:36 am

Yeah, even I am considering it...

Susann · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:09 pm

evaders I used the address above with google.com and its full translated in English.
" This page was automatically translated from Russian."
If you are interested you ´ll need to do the same with this link because they describe there better how the russian bot works by using a trojan horse:

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kguske · Site Admin Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 6044

Here's another possible alternative to Akismet, this one from the authors of Drupal:

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rackattack · New Member Joined: Mar 30, 2009 Posts: 4

Instead of CAPTCHAs, in my opinion, the whole security system needs to be changed to some type of name-coded image.

For instance, show a picture of a ball, horse, house, tree, lake, cloud, etc.!!!

No "OCR" would be able to distinguish that -- (Not yet, I don't think. At least available to the bot makers. Maybe the Government - LOL)

Then ask the user to type what it is, in it's simplest form. And that would be the check.

This way a HUMAN can tell it's a ball, horse, house, tree, lake, cloud, etc. But the OCRs can't.

If the user gets it wrong by typing say, "football" instead of "ball" then just restart the whole process over again, and give him another shot and another picture. Eventually he'll get it right.

CAPTCHA is dead I think also evaders99.

Well, that's my idea. Maybe someone better & more experienced than me can implement it.

((I'm having trouble with a CAPTCHA right now. That's what I'm doing here, but figured I'd give my 2 cents on this post first. If I can't find an answer in these forums, I'll be creating a new Thread to deal with my problem.))

Take care; Good luck!

-- RackAttack

evaders99 · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:09 pm

There are numerous implementations of this, but they all rely on a library of images. As long as this library of images is finite, there will be ways to exploit it.

montego · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:04 am

Also need to think about the site impaired... hhhhmmmm, maybe an audio captcha should be the norm? Will have to "noodle" that for a bit...

rackattack · New Member Joined: Mar 30, 2009 Posts: 4

montego wrote:

Also need to think about the site impaired... hhhhmmmm, maybe an audio captcha should be the norm? Will have to "noodle" that for a bit...

They are breaking audio CAPTCHAs also.

You all probably know this -- (but I'm still very much a noob at PHP) -- but here's one video that will make you sick to your stomach:

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The above dude should be arrested, put in jail, and the key thrown away.

I have a PHP site, and we're getting anywhere from 10 to 30 "bot registrations" per day.

I've been working my rear-end off over the last few days, trying to find code, tweak code, enable the captcha, augment the captcha, etc. -- All to no avail. They get through, it seems no matter what I do. It's driving me crazy already!

Well, just venting.

Take care.

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kd8hho · Worker Joined: Mar 30, 2009 Posts: 111

im lucky so far. on the new site. have captcha and e-mail verification active, so far no bots.

but its all keeping 1 step ahead of the spammers

testy1 · Involved Joined: Apr 06, 2008 Posts: 483

Guardian2003 wrote:

kguske wrote:

Time for Akismet ...?

Definitely!!!

cant believe I missed this, This has been mentioned before on here....

Last time it was mentioned I looked into it and started a module.I got the following done.

Currently Implemented and working

Admin and preferneces setup and working
Validation of API key
Couple of functions just for testing.
check_spam function in mainfile and intergrated the akismet class obviously

@todo or wish list

Moderation queue so admin can approve or deny
stats for spam captured
Satistics or addition to "waiting content" so your informed of comments needing approval
pagination for mod queue + admin config for max records
email notification + on/off
mod queue could show records for spam as well as ham so that it can be overruled
option to store details of confirmed usernames and email's locally, could then do an initial check locally before submitting to akismet to save on time
Admin option to turn the above on or off
time delay on local response to spammer, basically just to !@#$ them off
automatic addition of username to the RNYA Blocked Username Strings
automatic addition of email domain to the RNYA Blocked Mail Domains
admin option for number of days to keep spam and/or ham in queue

I will give it to one of the devs here if they are interested and the RN team can develop it further.If the RN team are interested it is yours.I will just have to find it Sad

Guardian2003 · Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:38 am

I integrated Akismet in the Feedback module some time ago as an experiment with great success. It was nothing fancy, just a simple routine to kill spam, no tracking or ham/spam 'reporting' function.
Having used Akismet with Wordpress for a long time and I think in 2.5 years I had only two false positives and absolutely no spam.

I never developed it further due to time constraints and the need for a more centralised 'comment' handling system to get the most from it.

montego · Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:07 am

rackattack wrote:

I have a PHP site, and we're getting anywhere from 10 to 30 "bot registrations" per day.

<SHAMELSSPLUG>
BTW, I say this as only a shameless plug for the RavenNuke(tm) captcha (at least for now), as I am not getting these. It still seems to have stood up... but, I am sure not for long.
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rackattack · New Member Joined: Mar 30, 2009 Posts: 4

montego wrote:

rackattack wrote:

I have a PHP site, and we're getting anywhere from 10 to 30 "bot registrations" per day.

<SHAMELSSPLUG>
BTW, I say this as only a shameless plug for the RavenNuke(tm) captcha (at least for now), as I am not getting these. It still seems to have stood up... but, I am sure not for long.
</SHAMELESSPLUG>

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Yep, when I got into PHP, someone told me to go "Nuke," so, not knowing what I was doing, or any other options, I did. I have heard many things since then, and learned a bit. Unfortunately, I have Nuke, (8.0) to boot!!, and although I'd like to make the switch now to RN, I'm stuck where I'm at. After MANY long hours though, I finally managed to tweak things with the CAPTCHA and haven't had any bot registrations yet. -- Unfortunately though, I switched my theme to Xtrato's "XG-DF" and now the CAPTCHA pictures don't show up!!! -- If it isn't one thing it's another!
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Embarassed

-- RackAttack (very frustrated php noob)