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kguske
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:02 am Reply with quote

To initiate a discussion on News features, I've included a summarized list of features in NSN News, version 2.0. If you have other suggestions for improvements in News, please submit them here.

NSN News 2.0 offers several improvements over the standard News module:
- Supports single or dual column display
- Can notify article sumitter on approval
- Can authorize certain users to automatically post without moderation by an admin
- Can specify amount of text to appear on index / header
- Select new page or popup for read more links
- Can override user prefences for number of articles in home
- Can set home with only 1 topic
- Option to generate PDF of story
- Adds paging (eliminates the need for stories archive)
- Combines News, Topics, Submissions administration

In addition to what NSN News 2.0 currently does, I suggest the following improvements for news (+ indicates features included in NSN News Plus):
- Support old URLs so links to old articles aren't lost (NSN News changes the URL)
- Add program story options for start and / or end date / time (currently can only be done by # of hours in the future to stop story)
- Ability to specify sort order of stories (default is date descending) - this needs discussion
- Specify a single-column feature story (nice when you use dual display) or default latest story as feature
- Use theme-specific topics images + (just because Guardian2003 wants it Wink )
- Specify / upload an image and location (align left, center, right, top, bottom) to be used instead of topic image
- Align topic images on left, right or alternating
- Turn on/off bytes more, article rating, related, options, most read story, comments warning (if not available, just say nothing) without requiring theme changes +
- Enable right blocks on article page +
- alter selection of number stories on main page if dual columns and / or feature story are specified (why have 5 stories if you use dual display)
- specify default for allow comments (current default is hardcoded as yes)

What other suggestions do you have?

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Guardian2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:15 am Reply with quote

I like the idea of theme specific icons killing me
'M' might be able to 'tap' the thing when complete.
I really, really, like the idea of having a single centered 'feature' artilce even if you have dual column display - thats a really nice touch.

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NB I have code to allow pdf creation if you need it.
 
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kguske
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:33 am Reply with quote

PDF creation is already in NSN News 2.0.
 
Guardian2003
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:20 pm Reply with quote

OK thanks for that kguske. I have never knowingly used NSN News 2.0 - I should have spent more time reading and digesting your post instead of skimming it.
 
kguske
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:38 pm Reply with quote

No problem! Ideas and suggestions are always welcome IMO. Which PDF tool do you recommend?

You can see the user side of NSN News 2.0 at Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! (of course...)
 
Guardian2003
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:33 pm Reply with quote

It looks like the one with NSN News would suffice. I have searched my hard drives and cannot locate the files I was tinkering with last year - I think they came as part of a theme so I downloaded the 'real' code from the scripts sourceforge site.
I'll have to plug on my older 200 Gig back up drive and see if it is on that one.

On a side note, something we should perhaps contemplate is the amount of 'white space' versus 'maximum number of characters allowed' in each articles main text box. There is nothing more ugly (to me any way) than having two nice neat columns of news only for the 'height' of each article to vary so that you end up with a mis-aligned bottom edge to the two columns.
 
kguske
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:17 pm Reply with quote

There are ways to handle that in the themes, me thinks.
 
ravenlife
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:05 pm Reply with quote

i noticed you mentioned swapping over the topic image
but i dont know if this is covered

would it be possible to have it so the image and text are on the same line say like this

testetstetstetstetstest ...................with the ........
fjsahfkjhsdjkfhfhkash .....................image...........
kjsdfhhfkjdshfjkhfjkht ......................Here..........
fjkldhsfjkhsgjkhskjghjksdhgjksdfjsghjahgjahkjgjkhasdg
kljsdghkjdhgjksdfh

does that idea make sense?

release date? for a modified version?
 
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kguske
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:35 am Reply with quote

No dates yet. Trying to determine the level of interest. If there's enough interest, I'll send proposed enhancements for review.

By swapping over the topic image, do you mean replacing the topic image with another picture? If so, I think that's a useful feature.
 
montego
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:05 am Reply with quote

I like the idea of changing the sort, but I also like the idea of being able to select one or more stories to always "go first". Maybe what I am really thinking of is your "featured article" concept. I envision being able to mark any article as a "featured article" so that one or more can be placed into a "Featured Article" container.

Now, to discuss the "container" concept. Wouldn't it by nice to be able to lay out your own front page display of news articles? Different types of articles could be targetted for certain layout "containers". It is difficult to describe, but is what I've basically done with NukeForge (that I never released because the admin tool would be terribly complex - just not enough time to complete it).

Anyways, probably too "nebulous" an idea to discuss in a simple forum post.

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Guardian2003
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:54 am Reply with quote

motego, I think the 'container' concept is already in use for news, more or less as you described it - at least for the main page layout. I think it was something metopen.com did.
 
kguske
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:56 am Reply with quote

Some tools take a template approach. What about that?
 
manunkind
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:53 am Reply with quote

Easy and quick installation. I haven't checked the new stuff, but what turned me off from a lot of NSN scripts in the past is that you have to modify 47,000 files. Smile

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ravenlife
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:57 am Reply with quote

differnt page posts, instead of just front page?

differnt sections on the site for differnt kinds of news

that possible?
 
kguske
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:04 am Reply with quote

manunkind,
Having to modify a few (c'mon, it isn't THAT many) core files to support significantly enhancement functionality is a good trade-off, in my book. And, with RavenNuke, you can get that already modified (e.g. NSN Groups, NukeSentinel). Really, if you look at the improvements, the required modifications make sense.

Still, I hear you on installation. Most of the NSN Scripts are pretty easy to install. Raven set the standard with the RavenNuke installation script.

ravenlife,
What do you mean by different page posts?
At one time, there was a concept called sections, but it was pretty difficult to distinguish that from Topics. Would topics give you that?
 
Guardian2003
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:39 am Reply with quote

Yes the Sections module was dropped in phpnuke 7.4 - ish in favour of the existing Content module.
 
mtwo
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:47 pm Reply with quote

Four additions I would like to see in the next release of NSN News...

I would like to see the ability to have topics restricted to various user levels and the ability to activate/inactivate individual topics. This would be useful when you have a topic but have not submitted any news for it. It would also allow an admin to deactivate a topic from public view, so no one sees it and the information is not lost or deleted.

Google tapping should be required for all modules and all links should be search engine friendly. The random headlines block needs to be google tapped too.

For us, a very important feature we would like to see in NSN News is the ability to list news postings with multiple topics. Each of our artists has a topic, but many times multiple artists will play an event. The news posting for that event would fall under multiple artists, in this case topics. Simply setting the Associated Topics does not allow that posting to be seen under all topics it is associated to. Simply put, we would like to be able to post a single time for multiple topics.

Also, for RSS or other feeds, include a rewrite of image tags to include the full absolute URL. i.e...
img src="/images/folder/filename.ext" to
img src="http://www.domain.com/images/folder/filename.ext"
This would assure that images associated and within news postings are correctly displayed on other sites.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:11 pm Reply with quote

I think someone else requested multiple topics per story, too. That's interesting.

Rewriting image tags is also an interesting idea. But should the rewrite be done when the story is posted, rather than each time it's displayed via RSS?
 
mtwo
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:48 pm Reply with quote

I think the general rewrite of image url's is a good idea, but I would also want to consider users that update to the new version of this module and do no already have absolute URL's.
 
mtwo
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:49 am Reply with quote

Another idea for the next version of the news module....

I would like to see the ability to edit the page title of news article and topic categories.
 
kguske
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:46 am Reply with quote

By page title, do you mean what appears in the top of the browser?
 
mtwo
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:52 am Reply with quote

Yes, the HTML <title> tag.
 
fkelly
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:46 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
Google tapping should be required for all modules and all links should be search engine friendly. The random headlines block needs to be google tapped too.


Be careful what you "require". If you mean "made optional" the way Montego is making it for the next Ravennuke release that's fine. But, believe it or not, some web admins would ban all search engines if there was a way and have no interest in GoogleTap or any derivative thereof.

The features you all discussed look great to me and I'd love to see them incorporated by default into some future revision of Ravennuke so you just run Raven's great install program and there it all is.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:50 am Reply with quote

montego wrote:
I like the idea of changing the sort, but I also like the idea of being able to select one or more stories to always "go first". Maybe what I am really thinking of is your "featured article" concept. I envision being able to mark any article as a "featured article" so that one or more can be placed into a "Featured Article" container.


Just adding my vote for all the above

Also I vote for fix to eliminate the problem of "mis-aligned bottom edge to the two columns" view. Maybe add an admin feature to adjust block height to a fixed value so regardless of how many characters are present in the articles or white space, the blocks will have a uniform size. Cause any overflow to automatically go into the read more section.

I like the turn off/on button for article rating, etc...

How about add the ability for admins to pick and choose wether or not to strip html tags, an On/Off switch, or to give certain users the ability to submit articles without restriction. I had an issue where some of my users where trying to submit articles with images links stored on imageshack. They kept getting banned from my site, I had to manually code the information for them.

Finally give us the edits necessary to integrate the WYSIWYG editor.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:36 am Reply with quote

I like the WYSIWYG editor option and am disappointed that the code to make it happen is not already out there. I would like to see a config option to set the WYSIWYG as on/off, basic/advanced, for Admin/Regular users. I also like the idea of toggling the WYSIWYG on the fly and below are some links for that...


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