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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:56 am Reply with quote

In watching this forum closely (because I greatly anticipate the upgrade), I've noticed that there are fewer and fewer updates. I'm assuming that most of the major issues have been found and fixed, and that the publically visible features are solid.

What is the current focus of testing?
Where do you need "us" to concentrate our efforts?
In short, what's left on the test plan with which "we" may help?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:58 pm Reply with quote

Well until Raven gets here ... we've been working on making a few more themes compliant. We aren't doing that as a direct objective but if we find another problem in a theme we're taking the time to go thru the whole thing and make it compliant. That usually turns over a few more rocks in FB's rock garden and we find other niggling issues that we fix but which sometimes lead to other issues as we test the fixes.

The current focus in testing is to eliminate "show stopper" issues (the kind that wind up in white screens in production applications) and as many notices and compliance issues as possible along the way. To test, just use the system as you normally would and take note of any notices you see (in a production system these will be suppressed but we'd like to know about them for now) and copy and paste them into a posting here. You can explore other themes than the ones you usually use, we've recently worked on Slash and SlashOcean and Sunset and Deepblue and fisubice is the default and has been good since day 1.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:03 pm Reply with quote

Do you want anything regarding HTML compliance?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:32 pm Reply with quote

If you can run outputs thru the validator and post errors back here I'm sure we'd take a look. Please provide enough detail so we can duplicate it if you do. While we are making a real effort to make this as compliant as possible I seriously doubt if we will get to 100% in this release. There are just so many "nooks and crannies" in Nuke that it is likely to take a bit longer for that. And, this is just my personal opinion, but that opinion is to take the time for this only if you really have the time and if you want to get more familiar with validation. The RN team has already been all over this and we will have limited time to deal with anything but showstopping issues before release.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:42 pm Reply with quote

BTW, regarding "compliance", we have focused mostly on non-admin functions. The admin pages are as riddled with compliance issues and notices and bugs as the rest. Right now, we just do not have time to address too many more compliance and notices in the admin pages. However, if you find these in the core modules / blocks, definitely let us know as fkelly said.

Thanks! You guys ROCK!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:42 pm Reply with quote

P.S. it is also XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliance that we are striving for this go around in these non-admin pages...
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:42 pm Reply with quote

I guess I may be a bit confused. I installed the tiny validator to my Mozilla browser and in the bottom right I get the warning triangle on most every page. Is that not what is supposed to be cleaned up?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:34 pm Reply with quote

What we've been using for validation is:

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What I do is view source on the page, then select all, then copy then paste it into the validator. Fisubice, DeepBlue, Sunset, and both Slash themes are now valid. This is not to say that in some areas of Nuke you won't get validation errors but these aren't coming from the themes any more. And the modules are one heck of a lot better than they were.

What is this tiny validator you are using? Does it tell you what the errors are? If so, could you post them here, that would be appreciated. Include what theme you are using and what you are doing in Nuke when the errors are generated.

I'm assuming you are seeing these errors on Ravennuke.com?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quote

Ok, it is a validator plugin for firefox that was mentioned in this thread.
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I only have 3 options in the theme menu and I use extra lite.

Here is an example of the errors it reports when viewing this thread.

line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 187 column 55 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 188 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 188 column 69 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&t"
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 189 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 189 column 69 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&t"
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 190 column 52 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 190 column 67 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&f"
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
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line 173 column 29 - Warning: <link> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 173 column 29 - Warning: <style> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 420 column 1 - Warning: discarding unexpected <body>
line 428 column 1 - Warning: discarding unexpected <table>
line 429 column 1 - Warning: missing <td>
line 430 column 184 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 430 column 412 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 430 column 423 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&folder"
line 431 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&op"
line 431 column 64 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&redirect"
line 563 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 563 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 607 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 607 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 647 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 647 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 687 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 687 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 731 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 731 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 771 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 771 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 821 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 821 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 877 column 43 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&file"
line 877 column 54 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&mode"
line 1030 column 55 - Warning: missing </span> before </td>
line 526 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 563 column 219 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 578 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 607 column 218 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 622 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 647 column 219 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 662 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 687 column 218 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 702 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 731 column 218 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 746 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 771 column 218 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 786 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 836 column 85 - Warning: <a> escaping malformed URI reference
line 877 column 218 - Warning: <a> attribute "target" has invalid value "_userwww"
line 885 column 3 - Warning: <script> inserting "type" attribute
line 950 column 33 - Warning: <textarea> proprietary attribute "wrap"
line 556 column 19 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 600 column 48 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 640 column 48 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 680 column 48 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 724 column 425 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 764 column 48 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 814 column 81 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 870 column 48 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 1120 column 32 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 1128 column 32 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 1136 column 32 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 1144 column 32 - Warning: trimming empty <span>
line 1152 column 32 - Warning: trimming empty <span>


I suspect some of it is probably because it is viewing the page as an html file?
 
fkelly
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:26 pm Reply with quote

I'm not sure I understand. I just double checked Extra-Lite and it is not one of the themes that we've made compliant, so there will be errors. Raven won't let me do any others Smile before 2.10 comes out.

However what you are reporting above is strange. Are you going to Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! and running this? This is a standard page there? It almost seems like you are capturing a page from here to view source and validating, and that won't work.

The validator always works with a html page ... in other words after PHPNuke has generated everything and the browser has rendered it you have a HTML page which then needs to be validated.
 
kevinkap
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:39 pm Reply with quote

I told you I was a bit confused. I was thinking that "this" site was the one to be tested. I had totally misread the main thread. But when I go to that site, I get these errors from the home page.

line 231 column 12 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 231 column 4 - Warning: trimming empty <strong>
line 231 column 1 - Warning: trimming empty <p>

0 errors / 3 warnings

only 3, much better.

soorry for the confusion!
 
fkelly
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:10 am Reply with quote

Actually 3 errors for that theme is kind of low. I've been looking at it and it's riddled with errors. These are "just" compliance errors, things like unquoted attributes and of course PHPnuke is riddled with these. We are getting as many as possible fixed for 2.10 but there will still be work to do after the release.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:32 am Reply with quote

is there or will there be a list of compliant themes (i know it will be a continual work in progress)?

i am using icgstation on one rn site and tweakit for another (the standard hack is required to get the right-hand blocks to appear in both).
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:22 pm Reply with quote

that result was looking at just the home page, don't know if that makes a diff.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:17 pm Reply with quote

Well for what it's worth you inspired me to spend last night and this morning fixing Extralite. I could be mistaken if problems occur with the testing, but I'd bet it winds up in RN2.10 compliant.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:48 am Reply with quote

geoff_bell wrote:
is there or will there be a list of compliant themes (i know it will be a continual work in progress)?

As fkelly posted in an earlier post
DeepBlue
fisubice
Slash
SlashOcean
Sunset
(possibly ExtraLite)
There are no intentions at this time to make any third party themes compliant, that is really a matter for the original authors to remedy.
 
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