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mrbilly
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:38 am Reply with quote

hey guys. i have been trying to familiarize myself with all the vaious modules in the nuke package, but it does not seem clear to me what the main difference between the various options is or wich one is the best to utilize or which one to allow my users to submit information and news from.

am I missing something here, or are all the various option available (Content or News or Topics or Journal) pretty much the same thing?

one thing I do want to do rite now is allow one user access to the website to post a kind of journal/blog, but if i make the journal option/section live and available, then all other users will also be able to post....which is something i do not want right now. how would you guys allow just one person to post? i guess I could make them an admin user so that when they have submitted some news or information, they could then 'authorise' the post to go live and be visible, but again this means that the option i make availalbe to that individual will also be visible to other users who may also try to make a posting.
 
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kguske
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:54 am Reply with quote

Though they are similar, there are some important differences.

Content is generally used for static html pages, though it can be used for dynamic content as well. Is can only be maintained by site administrators.

News requires a category and can optionally use Topics, which is a way to group news stories for reference. You can allow anyone to submit news, require membership, or only allow administrators to submit news. Administrators must approve news before it appears on the site. Unlike Content or Journal, News can be timed to turn off after a period of time.

Journal enables site members to create their own blogs (the term blog became popular after the Journal module was added). Unlike News and Content, Journal entries are member-specific and do not require moderation.

If you look at it abstractly, you could say that Journal entries are like News with the Member as the topic and no moderation. Not surprisingly, the Journal module isn't commonly used.

I haven't seen the Journal used to only allow one person to post. I suppose that could be done either by using NSN Groups and modifying the Journal module to support Groups or by making the user a administrator only for the Journal module. You could make the user an admin ONLY for news, but that would enable changes to all news, not just certain categories or topics. That would also work for Content if you had no other Content. If so, you could install a separate module (like CNB Contenudo) that uses different tables and make the user an administrator for that module. Enough choices...?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:02 am Reply with quote

thank you for your reply kguske...and yes!!!.....Enough choices for sure.....too many i would even say, which is why i think this decission is not straight forward.

Just two further questions about your coments here...'Content is generally used for static html pages, though it can be used for dynamic content as well'...

are u suggesting that someone can use HTML when posting to the contents section?

also, what do you mean by 'static html pages' and 'dynamic content'?.....how can something be 'dynamic content'?. I thought that whatever the person posts in this 'Conetent' would be seen by others as it was written by the autor.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:43 am Reply with quote

Only administrators can create Contents and they can most definitely use HTML.

Static means that the content doesn't change. Dynamic means that you can add HTML or javas cript that displays dynamic content, much like an RSS feed.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:46 am Reply with quote

i see...thanks again....i am understanding much better now.

one thing that does keep me wondering, but more concerend about all these terms, (like Content or News or Topics or Journal), is that how does the people vising your website know the difference and what is in each section of the website.

for example, 'journal' would make more sence to someone visiting for the first time if it was called 'personal blog', or if your site was about music bands then 'Content' would be better called 'List Of Bands' and 'Topics' would be better understood if it was something like 'Band Information'.

Am I the only person to have this 'hangup' and think the terms are not the best for expalining whats in there respective sections of your website?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:04 am Reply with quote

No, but in the admin panel, you can alter the displayed name of modules as to have a custom look.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:10 am Reply with quote

Yes...this solution is what i was thinking Darklord...thank you for that.

you will understand me when i say that sometimes you do wonder about all this and can often begin to think it is yourself thinking too much.....but it just makes sence to me that these sections of the website can have a far better meaninful and relative name to each website etc.......like the fact that topics are subsections of the news, so that should/could be called 'News Topics'....and that way the users would know that is all related.

should i assume this is simply yet another 'oversight' of this FB guy everyone loves to hate?....... Shocked


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gregexp
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:18 am Reply with quote

Laughing Not sure, others would answer that better but ohh the overlooking. Just to let you know, the FB guy that we all love to hate, is the developer of NUKE, but we love to hate because there are countless security wholes within nuke that chatserv, raven, evaders, and many others have found, that FB almosts seems to REFUSE to address. Thank God for people like the ravennuke team and the nuke patch developers who pick up where FB left off. As long as these people are around, you can guarantee, what FB has forgotten/NEGLECTED will not be takin lightly and your site wont go down due to his mishaps. I really think people should look at what chatserv and the other team members have done to secure your site AND do all they can to show their thanks.Without them, no nuke site would be up today and to be honest, I doubt FB would have gotten past nuke to go on developing, I can only imagine the reputation NUKE would have gotten without these people.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:30 am Reply with quote

Take a look at NSN News...it integrates this much better and offers significant advantages over the standard module.
 
mrbilly
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:02 am Reply with quote

hi kguske......which cable channel is NSN News on?....I dont see it in my listings.
 
gregexp
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:14 am Reply with quote

Laughing nukescripts.com has nsn news
nsn news is a module replacement for standard news modules.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:26 am Reply with quote

Right, it's on the NukeScripts Network (cable channel Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login!

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mrbilly
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:34 am Reply with quote

thanks guys............Embarassed...........Blonde Moment
 
mrbilly
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:09 am Reply with quote

kguske...I just created a new catagory in my news section but do not see it listed in the catagories section for Content.

Are there 2 seperate types of catagory?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:31 am Reply with quote

If you created news categories, then you will only see the in the news/articles area. You need to create categories for the Content are via the Content admin interface.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:03 pm Reply with quote

Thanks Guardian......See....I am trying to establish if the catagories for the news section and the content section are linked/common, or if there is one set of catagories you creat for news stories and one set for the content.

Please can you advise me about this.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:18 pm Reply with quote

Another question I now have about published news items is, 'how do i change an article from being just visible in the news module as a current story, to be in the archived stories section'?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:36 pm Reply with quote

Yes, there are two sets of categories, they are not linked in any way.

If you want posted news to go straight to archived then you have to use the default news category of 'Articles' which stops them displaying on the main news page.
As far as I am aware, that is the only category that does that and you cannot rename it (well you can but it then displays on the main page as it is hard coded to look for 'Articles' rather than the category id# - just to confuse everyone).

If you wanted some news articles to not be displayed but be assigned to the 'correct' category, at the moment, the only way to achieve that without re-coding the whole thing is to add more news posts after it so it 'scrolls off the page' by exceeding the max posts to be displayed.

NSN News or some of the other news modules may differe but what I have commented on is default news module behaviour.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:25 am Reply with quote

Sorry Guardian for jumping in here:

When an article is created or modified you will see two important fields: "Category" and "Publish in Home".

To accomplish having an article go to the "archive", but not be displayed in the HOme page, you need to do this:

1) Make sure you have set up a news category (i.e., something in addition to "Articles".

2) When you create / modify your news article, you need to select a category OTHER than "Articles" and then click on the "No" option for "Publish in Home".

That is all it is supposed to take to make this work.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:59 am Reply with quote

Doh! Yes I forgot all about the /publish in home' option - thanks 'M'.
 
mrbilly
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:10 pm Reply with quote

Montego...I just tried to modify a news story on my website and selected 'No' for the option 'Publish in Home'. I notice that whether or not this option is selected to 'Yes' or 'No' currently appears to make no difference to which articles display in the 'Stories Archive' section.

So, if I select 'No' to 'Publish in Home', the story does not appear in the news module section but does display in the 'Stories Archive' section.

if I select 'Yes' to 'Publish in Home', the story does appear in the news module section and also displays in the 'Stories Archive' section.

In other words, selecting 'yes' or 'no' to the 'Publish in Home' option, only appears to affect if the item is displayed in the news module section or not and does not change whether or not a story appears in the 'Stories Archive' section.

I am still confused though as to why you need both a 'Topics' selection and a 'Catagory' selection for each news story. Why do you need both if the news article catagories are not related to the catagory list of the Content section, (ie if both sets of catagories (for the news articles and the content section) were associated with each other and common, then I would understand that this would asssit to cross reference a story in the news articles section to a catagory in the Content section)?

Also, my current problem is how to make a story apear in the 'Old Articles' block?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:26 pm Reply with quote

mrbilly wrote:
Another question I now have about published news items is, 'how do i change an article from being just visible in the news module as a current story, to be in the archived stories section'?


I was answering your question posed here, which is exactly what I answered and you have verified that it works as I stated. You specifically wanted it to show in the "archived stories" but not the home, so I am Confused

Now, you are asking a different set of questions.

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I am still confused though as to why you need both a 'Topics' selection and a 'Catagory' selection for each news story


This is just how PHP-Nuke works.

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Also, my current problem is how to make a story apear in the 'Old Articles' block?


Guess I missed this in any of the above posts??? Wink As articles "roll-off" the front page, they start showing in the block.

Now, don't ask me what happens with the ones that you mark as "don't publish in the home page", because I don't know how the block responds to those.
 
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