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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:50 pm Reply with quote

Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login!

Look at my referrers today. It's all these stupid cialis sites. All the legit referrers get kicked all the way to the bottom of the list.

is there anything I can do to stop this?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:01 pm Reply with quote

no not realy.only put everything in your sentinel referer blocker..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:05 pm Reply with quote

"Strings should be in the format domain.tld or subdomain."

How about this ?
casino-attraction.com/online-casino.html
unique-poker.com/poker-games.html

I add then only casino-attraction.com into the blocker or I send they to my spam.html


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:48 pm Reply with quote

Well, I'm getting a ton of these hits right now and I think it's putting a huge load on my box.

I dunno what to do but I figure I have 20k hits in the last two days.

Is that enough to put a lot of load on the whole server?
 
hitwalker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:59 pm Reply with quote

i doubt it...
when you collect the referrers you can easy add then in sentinel..
and if you are an affiliate somehow,somewhere of something you just add the click-url in sentinel where they should be send and you make on it while you get the visits... Smile
(meaning you joined some king of click ads stuff)
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:32 pm Reply with quote

TheosEleos wrote:
...I'm getting a ton of these hits right now and I think it's putting a huge load on my box...

Here's my theory... Wink

The name of the game is Google PageRank. When you display your 'referers', Google bots see the 'referers' as links, and the 'bogus referers' are there for one reason - to boost their PR on Google. These 'bogus refer' ppl don't care two-cents for your site. 'They' just want to boost their PR on Google.

You see, the way it works is... let's say YOU have a PR of 5/10, and 'they' have a PR of 0/10, the bots see the 0/10 link on a 5/10 site, and the 'bogus referers' get a boost in Google PRs, 'cause the link appears on a 5/10 PR site. A 5/10 site doesn't get jack for appearing on a 0/10 site, you know?

Does that make sense?

In other words, these 'bogus referers' seek out sites that display 'refer' links in hopes of boosting their own PR on Google.

Personally, I don't blame 'them' for doing this. If I was just starting out, I might do the same thing, but when they hit your site 200 times in one day, or whatever, 'they' are playing YOU for a sucker. It doesn't effect your 'load', but it may effect YOUR PR at Google, if, say. you are inadvertently posting links to porno sites, MSN, etc.

So, my friend, all I can tell you is, if you're worried about it (and you should be), you have two choices. You can make it so Google bots cannot see your MSA 'refer' results, or you can play a cat 'n' mouse game and ban these 'bogus referers', as 'they' appear, YOUR choice! There is NO universal fix, except for making 'referers' invisible to anybody except your site admins. And, that's what most ppl do...

Sad fact of life, huh?

Having said that, I make MSA stats available to everyone, and ban those 'bogus referers' several times a day, 'cause I don't mind playing the game... I think it's fun! But, that's me...

Anyway, that's my theory, based on personal experience. Take it for what it's worth... Dance-Stick

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:00 pm Reply with quote

Thats an interesting concept Vin and one I had not thought about before, thanks for sharing your insight.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:21 pm Reply with quote

Well here's a story that explains some.
Names and personal stuff are taken out.


    GoogleRank, Spammers, Phising

    One interesting thing to note is a non-existant website has a GoogleRank of 4/10.
    So how does a website that does not exist, end up being given a GoogleRank of 4 out of 10?

    Well, some individuals actually have a list of recent referrers on their blog that is publicly visible.
    Now what Google does is it値l remember each time it sees a link and it値l probably record it somewhere.

    Google loves blogs, why? Well, generally there are many links available on blogs.
    Blog authors tend to link to a lot of websites that are of interest to them, and their blog audience if they know how that is. (Which is usually quite unlikely).

    Ok, so you have the GoogleBot crawling through your blog every now and then (the higher the GoogleRank, the more often it gets indexed), and it値l index every single page that it can find on your website. It値l remember that it has seen a link to site x and site y.

    In this case GoogleBot has found the referrals page (or links) and finds all of the referrers, in this case it値l find xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.

    Now, GoogleBot tries to follow that link, but is unsuccessful, so it will not actually appear in the search results (as there is nothing there to index).
    However, when you browse to the web address, the Google Toolbar will request some stats from Google telling it 的知 at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, please give me the site rank.
    Google will then say, hey, GoogleBot has seen that website linked to a lot, and here are some stats for you on it.
    And here is the official Google explanation of how PageRank (or as I call it, GoogleRank):

    撤ageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page痴 value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves 妬mportant weigh more heavily and help to make other pages 妬mportant.

    Ok, and below is a bunch of statistics pulled out of a server logs about the number of requests from users who were referred to a site via the spam (possibly) spoofed address:

    Referring URL Pages Percent Hits Percent
    Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! 61 15.2 % 61 9.6 % [Oct 2004]
    Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! 36 7.2 % 36 6.4 % [Sept 2004]

    There is no data for the months prior to September 2004 from users being referred to the site via that address.
    Also note that after blocked off users coming in from that referral address, they are still hitting the server, and the server throws the HTTP Response 403 [Unauthorised] or 404 [Page Not Found].
    Although noted 7 IPs in the server logs, it doesn稚 actually mean that much as I think they are likely spoofed addresses or came packaged as part of something the end user downloaded and unaware of.
    Either of which means that there could be a higher number of different IPs out there than the 7 i致e found in the logs thus far.

    Here are the 7 IPs:

    1) 63.67.102.226 2) 193.129.22.146 3) 195.57.165.180 4) 195.117.196.6 5) 200.79.91.6 6) 203.190.254.9 7) 220.93.120.39

    And also had a look at the previously mentioned 擢etch API Request as the User Agent.
    This one was interesting, 14 IP addresses.

    While at it, also saw this one:

    Host: 68.158.19.32 /
    Http Code: 200 Date: Oct 25 14:52:39 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 2198
    Referer: -
    Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt; DTS Agent

    Courtesy of this post by xxxx, realised that is actually the UA for an email harvesting bot.
    Upon further investigation I found this blog post by xxxxx which states that it is actually 砥sed by the Nigerian 419 scammers.

    interesting, no?

    So they don稚 actually go via Google cached version (speculating again, maybe some do?), but rather have their own spider/bot crawling the web for email addresses and so on.

    The end... Smile

 
Susann
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:36 pm Reply with quote

Code:
You can make it so Google bots cannot see your MSA 'refer' results,

Exact thats my opinion too. I エm always wondering about the public statistics in Google.

Guestbooks, statistics and blogs are the playing fields of Spammers.Ok you can use rel="nofollow" but is that the solution ?
The casino connection works worldwide between Hongkong and Russia and their interests are only money, money.
If you have a international website with top ranking you エll find always such referers, because they find you easily in the search engines. Wink

They buy and sell adresses and have their own bots.
 
TheosEleos
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:36 pm Reply with quote

All this is so interesting.

Thanks!

I think I'm gonna make MSA for members only.

I have 7,000 hits just today from over 40 sites.
 
TheosEleos
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:39 pm Reply with quote

Oh yeah, all those hits are to MSA.
 
VinDSL
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:07 am Reply with quote

For the sake of conversation, here's another one for you...

Those Google bots are jealous little boogers!

At one time, I displayed my PHP-Nuke 'Last Referers' block to all visitors. I made it into a scrolling block and thought it was kinda cool looking, et cetera. Everything was fine until the MSN beta Search bots started pounding my site, and 1000s of MSN beta Search links were showing up in the 'referers' block.

Man, those Google bots didn't like that stuff!

My web site has been up, going on 10 years, and I've been in the #1 spot in the Google search results (for 'lenon') for at least the last 6 years. When the Google bots saw the MSN links, it knocked my PR down from 6/10 to 4/10, and it's still there. To make things worse, they put my site on page-3 of the search results, and linkbacks dropped from 6,000+ to less than 800.

When I told my friends about this, they thought I was being paranoid. They'd never heard of such a thing, blah, blah, blah. After a week of watching my site go down the tube in the Google results, I decided to test my theory, and made the 'Last Refers' block invisible to everyone except myself.

Guess what?!? In 10 days my site was back in the #1 spot in the search results, however, my PRs and LBs never recovered!

Line 'n' learn! Rolling Eyes
 
hitwalker
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:40 am Reply with quote

well as for the previous mentioned..You can make it so Google bots cannot see your MSA 'refer' results...
I have that set to admins for over 2 years or so...
There was a time everybody thought that would sell your website...showing off with your statistics...
But now it works against you....
 
TheosEleos
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:01 am Reply with quote

Yeah, I made my MSA stats block members only too.
 
hitwalker
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:07 am Reply with quote

just set it to admin only,who cares anyway about your stats...
i have a nice little tool that generate fake hits......lol
so if i would disable my sentinel and use up to a few hundred proxies i could give my site hits you wont believe...
so knowing that,how reliable are hits do you think?
And a lot of sites still work per page view...and still think its the same as visitors...
 
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