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linuxtad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:47 am Reply with quote

Raven wrote:
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To use Total Calendar would require purchasing, it is an easy install just drop it in under "modules" and chmodd a couple folders and away you go. For 35$ is is a good investement. It could not be released with a Raven distro due to this.

Actually, according to the GPL, that is not correct. If an application requires phpNuke to run, then it is automatically GPL and can be used and distributed for free, by anyone. That doesn't mean that I would do it, but legally I or anyone else can. Just as the same holds true for phpNuke and the "club". After one person pays the $10 and gets a copy, he/she is free to distribute it for free under the GPL to anyone and everyone and they can do the same.


Raven, it does not require PHP-Nuke to run, it is a standalone Calendar firstly, but has added functionality by making it compatible with many CMS applications/scripts. I should have addressed that but omitted it in my orignal post. Embarassed

Now when you refer to GPL I think it is important to add that GPL does not release copyright.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:27 am Reply with quote

The version or fix or whatever that allows it to run under phpNuke is GPL whether intended or not. So, it does require phpNuke to run, in that case. So, that code is then GPL. I specifically asked the attorneys that question. The copyright is fine as long as it doesn't violate the GPL.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:57 am Reply with quote

I have been reading up on it and not many court cases, one in germany. It appears companies are wanting to stay away from it, which is good in some sense, and bad in another. I tend to take that as a sign of uncertainty, or in many cases, not wanting to spend millions in lawyers fees Smile but one thing is for sure, lawyers are like politicians, if you pay them enough money, they will tell you what you want to hear Smile Until the gavel drops it is up for grabs w00t!

Let me see if I get this correct. If I find a downloadable version of this software and I install it within Nuke-PHP 7.6 which is under GPL, the GPL states that I can legally do so and not pay the money for the software?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:07 am Reply with quote

No, that's not at all what I said. I said that if there is a version of a commercial piece of software that the author(s) have modified to run with phpNuke (or any GPL'd application), you are free to distribute and change that version only, because without phpNuke, it can't run. It does not affect the stand alone version.

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And the lawyers weren't paid anything. They are from the Foundation that oversees the GPL. So they did not get paid to say anything but the true and legal interpretation.

I have no desire to rehash this. We've already covered this in the other threads.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:38 am Reply with quote

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No, that's not at all what I said. I said that if there is a version of a commercial piece of software that the author(s) have modified to run with phpNuke (or any GPL'd application), you are free to distribute and change that version only, because without phpNuke, it can't run. It does not affect the stand alone version.

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And the lawyers weren't paid anything. They are from the Foundation that oversees the GPL. So they did not get paid to say anything but the true and legal interpretation.

I have no desire to rehash this. We've already covered this in the other threads.


Raven,

Sorry for the confusion, I was simply asking as I was not sure. I will read the post, and the part about the lawyers was a joke Smile I get the impression that you felt I was argueing about it when what I was trying to do was to learn what it was you were reffering to and what you had said/meant. My appologies if I did not come across that way, it was not intentional. The GPL is fairly complex and I hear it out of context and often misrepresented, which adds to my confusion and I am sure many other users as well.

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TAd

PS in this particular case, the standalone version and the version that can run within Nuke or CMS, is one and the same. There is no difference between the programs. Or in other words, You purchase only one, and you have a choice in which context you choose to run it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:45 am Reply with quote

But because they make it so it can be run in phpnuke, they give up their right to not using it as GPL. At least that's my understanding.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:58 am Reply with quote

I look forward to the new apps you are looking at. Your additions always seem to be good and most of which I use.

One I would like to see improved in any Nuke product is an improved RSS reader. The current RSS reader is flakey in my humble opinion. And from what I've gleaned off of NukeCops is that this is a known situation.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:15 am Reply with quote

Do you mean a reader in a block or a fancy module for reading a number of rss feeds?
I have some code I'm using in a block for dedicated reading of specific rss feed url's.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:34 pm Reply with quote

What I need is a block. I have some created by sources other than the ones included with RavenNuke that just won't dispaly properly. At first I thought it was my PC, but with different browsers, different PCs, different OS's, I get the same results. I want these to dispaly as a block so my users know the latest happenings (events and recent additions to FAQ).
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:33 pm Reply with quote

Is there any update on a calendar for RavenNuke 7.6.

I'm not too keen on any of the others I've seen.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:10 pm Reply with quote

In progress...did some work on it last weekend. Not close enough for a beta yet thought.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:24 am Reply with quote

I've been using TotalCalendar on my Ravennuke 2.02 site successfully. It's a one man operation as far as I can see and the author is stretched support-wise but the base program works well, has recurring events and other features and is pretty cleverly done. We have hundreds of events posted. It has pretty nifty user management too, the ability to give users individually or in groups the ability to update events. You have daily, weekly, monthly and annual views and you can have multiple calendars coexisting and the ability to control which events display on which calendar. As someone who's programmed a little rudimentary special purpose calendar system for my site, I would be very reluctant to reinvent Sweetphp's wheel.

But, why I really replied: Raven says:

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Actually, according to the GPL, that is not correct. If an application requires phpNuke to run, then it is automatically GPL and can be used and distributed for free, by anyone. That doesn't mean that I would do it, but legally I or anyone else can. Just as the same holds true for phpNuke and the "club". After one person pays the $10 and gets a copy, he/she is free to distribute it for free under the GPL to anyone and everyone and they can do the same.


Now I'm not the expert on this and I know how "theological" such discussions can get but if my reading of the sweetphp site is right the calendar software will run without Nuke. Sweetphp actually provides "wrapper objects" for several of the leading content management systems to make them able to run with the calendar (or maybe I should say to make the calendar able to run with them). So, literally then the application does not "require PHPnuke to run". Incidentally, when I looked a few months ago the wrapper objects were free and GPL'd, it's just the calendar software he charges for.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:47 pm Reply with quote

That's quite clever, a bit like copyrighting the images and releasing them separately to the theme! Very Happy
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:58 pm Reply with quote

I'm not interested in reinventing that wheel, since I found a GPL calendar that has the best set of features I've seen in a calendar, including TotalCalendar. Because it's GPL, it will (hopefully) enjoy a much better support and adoption than a non-GPL calendar, if for no other reason than people will be able to modify it to do what they want without having to worry about obfuscated code or license issues.

On that note, I'd encourage anyone that is so inclined to look for ways to improve PHP-Nuke. It has long suffered from a lack of real innovation (and poor security). The beauty of open source, at least in my experience, is that people are free to contribute ideas, code, etc. in ways they cannot with closed source.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:03 am Reply with quote

I'm curious how your work is going on updating NuCalendar and bringing it into Raven's Distro.

With which version did you start?
From where may it be downloaded?
Are you adding to or modifying its feature set as part of your port to RN?
Are you open to requests along those lines during or after the port?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:37 pm Reply with quote

While I like NuCalendar, the calendar I'm working on isn't based on that.

I've done some test development, but it's no where near being at a point where it could be downloaded.

As for features, it will have all the great features from the calendar on which it is based, plus as many extras as I can add in a reasonable time. But I definitely welcome suggestions for what those features are - feel free to use this forum to suggest the things you'd like.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:10 pm Reply with quote

Personally, I'm just looking for a reasonably secure calendar that I can use with my nuke site and not worry about getting hacked to pieces because of it. I'm no coding genious so I'm pretty paranoid when it comes to adding features to my phpnuke site. Confused

I have a few suggestions for your calendar kguske if your interested:

- adds members birthdays automatically once installed.
- shows upcoming events at the footer of the forums as well as a block anywhere on the index.php.
- permission based possibly off user groups.
 
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