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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:39 pm Reply with quote

There are so many kinds of PHP CMSs now that I'm unsure which is the securest. I'm currently running PHP Nuke on one of my sites, I believe it's v 6.9 but can't remember for sure (not sure where to look to find out). I'm also running Raven's Nuke Sentinel v 2.1.3

The last time I posted in any significant quantity here well over a year ago, when I was setting up my then main site. I'm pretty sure alot has changed since then : o}

I now have at least three other sites I'm considering making PHP types. Which PHP CMS is the most secure right out of the box so to speak? Your input is valued.

BTW, hi Raven ... big hugzzz! *waves*

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:52 pm Reply with quote

well,i can only speak from personal experience but as for most secure phpnuke version i would say ravennuke,as for other php cms i would go for joomla.
but keep this in mind....a cms can be secure but if you install bogus mods,components,whatever then the whole security means nothing...
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:02 pm Reply with quote

Yep, that's what I was asking ... which CMS of all there are to choose from!? Why do you like joomla if I may ask? Thanks for your reply : o}
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:05 pm Reply with quote

well joomla is extremly powerfull and lets you create content so easely,not to mention is has a huge group of developers,mods,templates,components...and a lot of great stuff..
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:25 pm Reply with quote

And how is it for security? Right out of the box so to speak? What about themes (skins) for it? I'd like a CMS for which I can find alot of nice themes, be able to run a forum, maybe a blog, databases, etc.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:29 pm Reply with quote

security is ok.....
as long as you dont use crappy stuff..
and templates..... Laughing
last week i visited a german site with a nice database of 1200 templates with nice preview...
nuke doesnt have that... Wink
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:30 pm Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, what is the url to the German site for templates? Templates/Themes will be important to me because for at least one site I'll want my guest to be able to pick from several *seasonal/holiday* themes.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:40 pm Reply with quote

here's 1
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the other one i cant find...
just do a search on joomla templates...
i think it was german,but not sure..
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:51 pm Reply with quote

Mirror, mirror on the wall, which Nuke distribution is securest of them all...?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:53 pm Reply with quote

how many choices do i have .... killing me
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:14 pm Reply with quote

any side-by-side analysis for RavenNuke and Joomla by pros? could have been interesting reading Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:39 am Reply with quote

All CMSs have been hacked at some point. So going by which is the most secure is really a matter of context. Though I think most people would agree that its not standard nuke

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:05 pm Reply with quote

technocrat wrote:
All CMSs have been hacked at some point. So going by which is the most secure is really a matter of context. Though I think most people would agree that its not standard nuke


What do you mean *not standard nuke*? Is there a standard nuke? LOL
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:11 pm Reply with quote

Nuke with out the patches and fixes. Basically the one you can download from phpnuke.org or get off of Fantastico and other places.
 
Bluezzz
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:13 pm Reply with quote

Thanks : o}

Now, is there anyone else that has an opinion on which is the *best* CMS? Not just PHP but perhaps ASP or other webpage system styles?

I appreciate your answers!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:14 pm Reply with quote

I think thats more a matter of opinion. You should try them out and pick the one you like.
 
Bluezzz
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:15 pm Reply with quote

That would take way too much time, I'm trying to thin out the not so good ones so I can decide on the better ones LOL
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:48 pm Reply with quote

Looky what I found ... CMS demo system : o}

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:35 pm Reply with quote

:clap:
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:26 pm Reply with quote

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I believe it's v 6.9 but can't remember for sure (not sure where to look to find out). I'm also running Raven's Nuke Sentinel v 2.1.3


I believe one of the greatest problems are guys who use different CMS and don´t really know how to use it and often it´s no wonder that they have more security issues than other users.

But to answer your question:What ist the best CMS ?
No doubt it´s not standard nuke and also Nuke 8.0 is ´t the revolution I believe.

I personally removed my Mambo/Joomla site because I never understood that chmod problem with that files completely also the support was very bad at that time.
I use RavenNuke because I believe its more secure and the better Nuke and I don´t need many mods and addons like in NukeEvo preinstalled because I prefer slimline since I installed my first Nuke site some years ago and thats also a way beneed other options to reduce the security problems.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:40 pm Reply with quote

The problem with comparisons like Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! and Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! is that they only consider the base package - rather than considering available enhancements or enhanced distributions (though some enhanced distributions attempt to be included in the comparison).

Mambo / Joomla seems to be more popular with business sites than with community sites. It has a number of nice extensions, but they tend to be mostly commercial, rather than GPL.

As I've said before on the same subject, a webmaster needs to define what factors are important - functionality, flexibility, available graphics / themes / appearance, support, security... You get the idea. Once you have that, it's easier to compare. Unfortunately, the existing comparison sites don't adequately address those things, but Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! does a pretty good job.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:19 pm Reply with quote

Thanks for the info on the other comparison sites for CMS. I'll check them both out. Here's what I need for one site and here is what my host has available to me in Fantastico ...

I want a site that will have rockin themes, preferably with a little flash or flare, I don't like boring flat stuff. I'd probably want several themes to choose from, and perhaps even some along the lines of seasonal. I realize that I may well have to learn to make my own. Themes/Templates WILL be important to me. Some features I will want will be database capabilities so CMS will be a plus there. I'll want users to be able to become members, add links that relate to the site, have a blog, a forum, stuff like that. The site will be a christian ministries site.

Here's what Fantastico has besides image galleries, etc:

Blogs
b2evolution
Nucleus
pMachine Free
WordPress

Content Management
Drupal
Geeklog
Joomla
Mambo Open Source
PHP-Nuke
phpWCMS
phpWebSite
Post-Nuke
Siteframe
TYPO3
Xoops

Discussion Boards
phpBB2
SMF

On another of my sites as previously mentioned I do use PHP Nuke (6.9 I think). The site works well but I do have an error I should get around to fixing one of these days LOL ... it uses phpBB style forum. I have never used a blog so that will be a new experience should I decide to go there.

If I were to go with Raven's Nuke, and I know he's very reliable and as safe as can be ... how would I go about installing that to this new site which currently has nothing running? It's been so long since I tackled this I forgot it all LOL.

OH, and here's the gory details on PHP version, etc ...

Operating system Linux
Apache version 1.3.36 (Unix)
PERL version 5.8.7
PHP version 4.4.3
MySQL version 4.1.19-standard
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:24 pm Reply with quote

The problem with Fantastico is that it often doesn't install the latest version, and frequently doesn't install important fixes and security. If you can create a MySQL database, create and assign a database user, edit a config.php text file, FTP files to your server and set some permissions, you'll have NO problem using the RavenNuke installer - it's really easy.
 
Bluezzz
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:29 pm Reply with quote

Geez I have done those things before, had a great tutorial printed out at one time, a step by step guide but I don't have it any longer : o/ I'll hafta look round for another web link on that and reprint. How can I tell what's the most current Raven Nuke and what Nuke Sentinel goes with that? How can I tell what themes I can/cannot use with this nuke? Thanks again!
 
Bluezzz
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:05 pm Reply with quote

*Wonders if Raven will let me have RavenNuke76 v2.10.00, since I don't see an official release of it yet* : o? Not much point in installing an older one if a newer one is pending right?
 
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